jeudi 29 janvier 2015

Elite Dangerous and other space games

Elite Dangerous and other space games..

Edit: this article was written in end 2014. We're almost a year later, so keep the context in the mind. As of today, Star Citizen has clearly fixed all of their technical hurdles ( which had me worried if you read this article ) and one of my main concerns, the "disjointed" feeling of their modules, has been addressed. What they've shown at the latest Gamescon/Citizencon with their PU is totally seamless and very immersive. I think they're on track to delivering a very impressive experience.

As for Elite: Dangerous, I was worried about the lack of content. That was true a year ago when I wrote the article and the game was barely released, but since then they added a lot more content, patches, and a new extension ( Horizons ) is on its way. It obviously doesn't apply anymore. There's no way I wouldn't like a game with seamless planetary transitions ( hehe that's what we're doing too after all ), and I must admit their vehicle physics is simply amazing.


Writing an article about other space games is a tricky exercise. Especially when you're an indy developer with an history such as ours, labelled as vaporware by many. What is the limit between honest feedback as a gamer and criticism as a fellow developer ? I'm pretty sure a lot of people are going to flag this article as arrogance or negative criticism, when in reality I just want to share my thoughts about what other space games have been doing / heading to.

The first thing I want to say is that I'm not afraid of "competition". I think more competition is a good thing. If you're reading this blog, you probably like space games. You're probably hungry for good space games too. I know, I've been starved for them for more than a decade. More games means a larger player base, so I can't help as seeing this as a good thing. And that's the reason why I've backed up Elite Dangerous ( I'll abbreviate it as E:D from now on ) or Star Citizen ( SC ) 's Kickstarter campaigns when they happened. As a developer, I try to support all space games, especially indies.

As you guessed, this article is going to be about other space games. Do I consider them good ( or if in development, heading in the good direction ) ? Bad ? Average ? Would I play them for hundreds of hours ? I should start with a disclaimer: I'm pretty busy and I can't play every game thoroughly, especially when they're still in development. I usually periodically check their status, spend a couple hours left & right to see how things evolve. So I'm not an expert or even an advanced player on any of those games. If anything I say is a blatant mistake, feel free to correct me by leaving a comment.

Let's start with No Man's Sky. As a PS4 exclusive ( for the time being ) I haven't actually played it which means that my impressions are only based on what I've seen on the press / sites. It has an original concept, mostly based on exploration. A huge procedural galaxy, where have I heard of that already ? And tons of life forms. That sounds interesting. Or not. If it's like Spore the danger is that it might turn out to be very repetitive / boring very fast. In addition I dislike the cartoony graphical style. Technically they seem to have implemented a seamless planetary engine but the planets seem rather small, a bit toy-ish like in Spore. Another problem I have with that game is the lack of a clear vision ( and that might be my fault entirely ). I get the exploration part but where will players cooperation, space combat and battles fit into all of that ? I do not know. So if I had to use one word to describe my feelings about NMS, it would be: curiosity ( no, not the rover, tsss ). But no excitement. In the end I think the concepts are good but the implementation will make or break that game, it could turn out to be a little gem, or something easily forgettable.

Then there's the heavyweight: Star Citizen. I have the utter most respect for what Chris Roberts and his team have achieved, but what impresses me the most is how much crowd funding they've been able to raise. In a way it's almost indecent. 70 millions dollars raised.. wow. I don't think anybody would have expected such numbers ( not even them ) when they started their Kickstarter back in 2012. Their business model and marketing are solid but as a gamer I can't help but feel uneasy with it. I just do not understand why people are paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to buy a specific ship in addition to the game itself. Especially it is still in development and could turn out to be disappointing ( and I'm not saying it will, I'm saying people seem to take a huge risk ). CIG is only offering what players demand, so I'm not going to blame them for that. My point is that I just do not understand where the demand comes from. I never thought there would be people ready to pay that much for an in-game ship. I would understand if the game was F2P with a free access. But I do not understand why players are still okay with it as a full-priced game. And worse, I never thought that there would be that many of these people. I guess that explains why I'm a developer and not in marketing.

As for the game itself, I must admit that I am pretty confused by Star Citizen's vision. I was already confused during the campaign: were they kickstarting a solo game ( Squadron 42 ) or an MMO ? Turns out it's a bit of both. It'd be like us making a Kickstarter for Infinity: Battlescape but describing the Infinity MMO gameplay in it as a stretch goal. We decided not to do that in our own Kickstarter especially for that reason: we want things to be crystal clear about what we're Kickstarting, to avoid confusing or disappointing players that they might not get an MMO later. But considering nobody seemed to complain about this in SC's case it might be a mistake.. I wonder what would have happened if they had only reached their minimum KS tier and only produced Squadron 42. Would have players complained that they ultimately didn't get the grand vision ?

In any case, Star Citizen currently seems to be in a weird spot. To me it feels like the company has grown too big too quickly and that they do not know how to fix all their problems and how to spend all their money. Meanwhile they seem to struggle with Crytek's engine limitations, and their game prototype is made out of individual disjointed components like a Frankenstein monster. As if it was an aggregate of smaller games instead of one big coherent game. That makes me very worried for the future but there's still time to address that. All I hope is that everything will come together soon.

One thing that is for sure is that the expectations are high. Not mine: those don't count; I mean the entire space gaming community's. And in a way the crowd funding community's too due to the high amount of money raised. I have the chills every time I think of what would happen if they failed.. or if the game turned out to be just okay, not great. This is one thing if a moderate-budget game like E:D or us failed; but this is an entirely different matter if a 70M$ crowd funded game turned out to be less than stellar ( no pun intended ). It could litteraly shake the entire crowd funding world, causing a loss of trust into this method of financing. An earthquake..

There is an additional danger of raising so much money through crowd funding before the release that I would like to mention here. Not many people seem to discuss that issue but it's a very real and important one in my book. This is the danger of milking your player base too early. If everybody pre-buys the game then you risk severely reducing your revenue once the game gets out. And that has perverse effects, such as killing your motivation for making a good polished game. After all, if all your potential buyers have already bought your game early and a good release won't generate all that much more revenue, will your motivation for delivering a high quality product stay intact ?

But okay, enough worrying for now. SC is still in development and they have the budget to produce and deliver what they promised. All the cards are in their hands.

Finally, we have the challenger, the allmighty Elite: Dangerous. I can safely say that from all the upcoming games, this one was the one I was anticipating the most. It's no secret that my original vision of the Infinity: MMO was heavily inspired by Frontier Elite 2 which I played for hundreds of hours as a kid. Therefore when E:D was announced I was very excited. So what's the verdict now it's been officially released ?

Let's start with the technical aspects of the game. It looks pretty good graphically. Station interiors in particular are extremely well done; they have a lot of man-scaled details which I love, little animations everywhere, to make the areas come alive. The E:D 3D engine can also handle a lot of lights ( I believe this is a deferred lighting renderer, like we use ), so it's not unfrequent to see thousands of little lights everywhere on stations at a distance. The particle effects are well animated and of high quality and the in-cockpit effects when your ship gets damaged are very immersive.

The sound is also note-worthy. In fact, I consider it to be on the strongest point of the game. It doesn't have much music but there are a lot of ambiances and the sound effects are of high quality.. and most importantly, aren't annoying. Whether it is thrusters/propulsion or weapons it never gets old which is something I cannot say for all space games I've played..

Most art assets are pretty well done from a mid-distance but the quality falls when you move your ship too close to the surfaces. Some physical-based materials are okay but other materials are ugly. But I guess most players won't notice so it's fine. Thumbs up for the asteroid's icy materials which I particularly like.

I also want to praise the work done by Frontier on their procedural galaxy. When the game was announced I didn't think they'd go that far at recreating a realistic galaxy. There's still a lot of repetition in the planets procedural texturing, but to be honest that's bound to happen in a 400 billion stars galaxy and Infinity will be no different. However I was surprised to see how far they went at recreating more "special" objects such as black holes or volumetric nebulas, or how good some of their effects look ( such as the stars surfaces ). Not everything is perfect though, and sometimes their systems generate some pretty ugly / unrealistic planets. Overall I'm extremely impressed by the amount of effort that has gone into the galaxy model, so good job Frontier team !

While I'm speaking of the technical aspects of the game I should mention the user interface. During my first hour of game I was a bit sceptikal by the in-game menus / HUD integrated into the cockpit and navigating through the menus with the keyboard while you can still fly your ship with the mouse is a weird experience. I realized later that they most likely went with this approach due to the Occulus Rift. I have a DK1 at home and I must say the immersion factor is pretty incredible playing the game with VR ( but not too long otherwise you get nausea, thanks to flying at 360° ). Menus integrated into the cockpit consoles makes a lot of sense then, at the price of a slightly awkward first experience with mouse & keyboard when you don't have one. Still you get used to this system pretty quickly and it's more responsive and readable than in X: Rebirth which used a similar approach.

The game is a true sandbox, in the sense that there are tons of activities you can do. Bounty hunting, pirating, smuggling, trading, mining, all the good stuff is there and pretty similar to what I had in mind for our Infinity MMO. Unfortunately it's still lacking depth and variety and even the missions proposed in the various stations start to get old quickly as you're repeating them for the dozen'th time.

I think one aspect of the game that falls short of my expectations is the lack of content. E:D's development has gone relatively smoothly and short ( 2 years only ) and unfortunately it shows. The game only contains 4-5 station types ( with a couple of module variations ) and something like 15 ships to choose from. I know more are planned in the future but I'm only speaking of what's available at release time here. This means that in your first hours of gameplay you'll probably see most of the content the game has to offer. I heard there are specific systems with unique assets ( like Sol ) but those are exceptions; if you're hoping from a system to another, exploring the galaxy and trading stuff as you go, content will get old very quickly.

As far as actual gameplay goes Elite: Dangerous seems to be in a weird spot to me and this is a result of many strategical and design choices of the company. It has been marketed as a MMO but it fails to be an MMO on many levels. Instancing ensures that you have no guarantee to meet a friend or a target at a specific rendez-vous location. The game strangely lacks a lot of social features. Clan or squad support is a mere dream at the moment. There are almost no collaborative or teaming up features so even if you wanted to create a clan outside of the game and attack a specific target in a system with all your members you'd lack the in-game tools to do so. At the same time the game offers a "solo" option but make no mistake: you're still connected to an online server, so it's actually "solo online" and not "solo offline" ( and certainly no han solo, but I disgress.. ). I can't say I'm a fan of this choice as it seems to split the player base between pirates / killers ( who play online ) and carebears ( who play offline and want to remain safe and undisturbed by other players ). So E:D is an MMO but not quite so since there are no mechanisms for players to group and meet in the same place / instance or in massive battles. You're unlikely to see more than a handful of players on your screen at the same time.

So what about flight mechanisms and combat ? Another interesting ( or curious, depending on where you're coming from ) design choise is the lack of a third-party camera. I'm not quite sure about the reasons of this choice - was that for immersion too ? - But immersion only goes so far as not hindering gameplay. I'm the kind of player that likes to play in first-person cockpit mode all the time but I must admit there's been many times where I thought a lack of a third-person camera was getting annoying. Especially as you approach stations and require docking ( like on those Coriolis stations ) figuring out how to fly to the entrance of the station can be annoying. I haven't noticed any HUD indicator that told me where the entrance was, which resulted in me having to circle on a path around the station. This would be fine except that since you're in first person view, at any point in time you do not exactly know where your ship is positionned in relation to the station entrance, so you don't know if you have to continue to fly "a little bit further" or if you have to turn your ship now to face the station. Which results in having to constantly stop along the path, turn your ship to see where you're at, decide that you have to continue a bit more, turn back again and repeat the process... basically, aligning your ship to certain station's entrances is a chore and takes longer than needed. The assets can already be seen from outside on other players or inside station hangars, so I can't think of any technical reason for such a limitation..

Jumping to another star system is pretty easy in E:D and is pretty fast too. Hyperspace effects look fine to me so I do not have any major complaint about this system; but I can't say the same for the supercruise mode ( the in-star system fast navigation mode ). First of all, supercruise speed seems to be limited by the proximity of stars and planets. Conceptually this sounds fine to me and has a lore explanation, but it's balanced to be a bit on the extreme side at the moment. As a result, if you want to fly to a planet 20 AUs away and there's a star nearby your direct path, you have two choises: take the direct path and have your ship slow down a lot as it's passing by the star; or take a detour which won't slow down your ship, but that will take more time too. As you see in both cases you're wasting time for no good reason.

And there you have, in a nutshell, my main problem with E:D:  pacing. For the same reason I could never get into Eve Online because I do not want to have to stare at my screen for 30 minutes as I fly in a system or hop between dozens of systems, watching my screen doing nothing; E:D basically suffers from the same flaw: flying to a target inside the same star system can take between a couple minutes if you're lucky to 10+ minutes if you're incorrectly positionned compared to your destination. Now I realize that for some people this isn't a problem, or could even be welcome ( as a "pause" during gameplay ); but for me, it's a deal breaker. I've seen some people on forums saying that 90% of your time in E:D is spent in cruise mode, aligning to your destination and waiting to arrive, and I think it's a good summary of my experience with the game, no matter what kind of activity I chose.

Also a bit disappointing to me is how the flight systems aren't all that well integrated into each other. At first glance the game is seamless. You can go anywhere in a star system and fly there directly. But looking more closely you can see some artificial limits. For instance in cruise mode you can't go slower than 30 Km/s. Let's say you're trying to fly to a target space station; you'll never see it appear on your screen in cruise mode, even as a dot - it is simply not rendered at all -. And as you disengage your drive, you get.. teleported 10 Km away from the station. For me this was a shock. The same system is used for asteroid belts; all these act as "points of interest" in the system and you'll get teleported to them as you disengage your drive. But I guess most people haven't even noticed or care, so it's good enough to appear seamless if you don't dig under the carpet like I like to do.

What about combat, then ? Surely combat is more exciting and interesting ? Well yeah, there is certainly something to dogfights. The newtonian physics does work quite well and controlling your ship is pretty easy. But I do not understand this choice of restricting the turning speed of the yaw angle. In general I find that turning your ship ( in any direction ) is pretty slow ( I measured up to a minute to turn your ship by 360° with yaw, and from 10 to 25 seconds on other angles ). I would like to be able to turn my ship by 180° in a handful of seconds, like in dogfights in Battlestar Galactica. This was an integral part of the Infinity Combat Prototype ( ICP ) experience back in 2007, too. As it is now I found myself spending a lot of time ( that is to say the majority of my time ) during combat just trying to align my ship to my target. Which I didn't find particularly fun. And better upgraded ships, judging from videos online, do not seem to be that much more maneuverable so the game is clearly designed like that. It's weird because I do not remember the original Frontier: Elite 2 being that way.

As for "epic" battles I can't say I have experienced any. I've seen videos of capital ship fights, which seems to be "special events" happening in some systems. Those looked cool.. but seem to have no consequence on the in-game politics, which defeats the purpose of going there to try winning / losing the battle. Though I wish there would be more of that stuff everywhere in the game.

Despite all these flaws, I think E:D is a pretty neat game which does a lot of good things but is lacking in terms of content and pacing. Pacing is a bit subjective so I certainly don't expect everybody to agree with my views; but I wish there was at least more stuff to do, more varied missions and more places / special events to see. It is a great game for what it is, but it is not the ultimate space simulator I was awaiting, which I guess is a good news to us since it means we have room to try to improve and expand the formula in our own games.

15 commentaires:

  1. "I'm pretty sure a lot of people are going to flag this article as arrogance or negative criticism, when in reality I just want to share my thoughts about what other space games have been doing / heading to."

    Arrogance? Naw. Negative criticism? Totally. Let's be clear, much of this article is decidedly being critical of other games, and that's fine, just don't try to sell it as something else. As a developer of a competing space game, there's really no way you can be fully objective, though the attempt is appreciated. With that said, while you raise valid points, all of them are covered in the veneer of...something. You say your own game is seen as vapourware, and that kind of colors all the text that comes after it.

    Anyway, my $0.02, but this article seems a smiiiiiidge disingenuous. Some clearer language might be in order. :) Thanks for writing it though.

    Oh another thing:

    "One thing that is for sure is that the expectations are high. Not mine: those don't count;"

    C'mon now, this whole article is about your opinions and expectations. ;)

  2. Hey have you seen Enemy Starfighter the other indie space game. Its scope is far smaller than most of these other games in that you fly around shooting things.

  3. There's a some points in there. I have to say, I'd never thought of the social repercussions of SC failing. The loss of confidence would probably be felt across all funding sites. Just imagine how major news outlets would spin it.

    Anyways, I did want to point one thing out. It seems that many people make the mistake that SC is going to continue its current revenue system in place past release. At the very least, going on what we are told by the staff, it will not.
    I do of course still worry how they will manage the rewards all of the backers have purchased after launch. The concept sales have lifetime hull insurance, and being able to die and reship as much as you like would probably detract from the experience (i.e. rammers). Time will tell anyways.
    Still looking forward to seeing your product!
    Fly Safe o7

  4. Arrogance? no Negative criticism? no

    Im totally with Flavien, even as i only plan(ned) to buy one of these games i would nearly write the same about these games. I read and watch everything about theses games, comments and blogs from players, i talk to players that play them and so on. I also baked e.g. pCars because im in generell a big fan of realism and buyed also some other early access (which is nearly the same, only that i can play this buggy things) games. As a result of what i tought or hoped this game will become and what is became, i try now not to buy games and bake it unless there is a clear way and a example to play where i can find out how the rest of the game will be. pCars is a good example, im really disapointed of what this game has turned into, what was promised and what was changed while development. It got Steam only, physics were not tweaked to realism, damage model is bullshit. Only read in the forums arrogant posts how cool they and the game is. They offer only content and grafics and no realism.
    When SC fail on some parts it will have a impact on baker stuff and on other simgames. With this amount of money there is a expectation that cant be fulfilled. And as soon as i heard about the moneystrategie i cancelled all my plans to buy this game or even bake it.
    Elite Dangeous is still a game i want to buy but as described its still not where it could be. Its a very good sandbox game at the moment but i will wait until i see what they will do with it. DLC flooting? Not with me. Addons? Im ok with it. Content for free? perfect. But as long i dont see a clear strategie what REALLY will come and how i still hover over the Buy button.
    I really curious what will happen with Infinity (space/ Battlescape) , im waiting since the first youT video popped out ;)

  5. Hmm i dont know how to edit in this language shown on this side, so about the blog:

    E:D is made in mind of some sort of realism. So no external view, no 3rd person. No instand supercruise. Its not a hollywood action bam bam faster faster game and i like it. I dont want a game where you can get within seconds everywhere. Its for the immersion of the galaxy on how we would feel like beeing in a spaceship, its ok to fly 10min real time within the same galaxy. I dont need to burst trough everywhere. Its more realistic in my eyes and i like realism. Realism is not easy and not the fastest.

  6. Coriolis stations in ED always rotate anti-clockwise when you are looking at the entrance, it takes a second or two to find the entrance ;)

    1. When a station is targeted locally the holographic image of the station to the left of the sensor has arrows pointing towards the docking slot.

  7. I'm a big fan of space sims and very enthusiastic about the upcoming games. But after reading a lot of articles about those games I'm always surprised how nobody ever mentions Independence War II: Edge of Chaos. In my opinion its one of the best classic space siims out there. I cant even imagine someone creating something like Infinity and not even mentioning it. I hope you see this Flavien and research/remember about it.

  8. Basically E:D was released too early, and is arguably an Early Access release (but is not sold as such). Many of your criticisms are planned to be fixed this year, with some of them in the next month or two. Also, I expect "epic battles" to become more common once war breaks out across the galaxy (as the plot seems to be leading-up to). Regarding things that are unlikely to change:

    Slow yawing speed is fundamental to making ED's combat fun (albiet not realistic), but it took me a long time to adjust to. Now I find combat to be probably the best part of ED (which should hardly be surprising since they started work on that before almost anything else).

    Slow in-system travel using "Super Cruise" is definitely a divisive topic. While I rather dislike some aspects as it stands, there ARE good reasons for it being slow... the main problem is a lack of interesting things to do during Super Cruise (which I think could be easily fixed but Frontier show no signs of doing). So at this point I just browse the web while waiting to get to my destination. Not really my idea of fun, but it does partially add to the "space simulator" feeling of ED.

  9. I backed Star Citizen, E:D, Limit Theory, and yes I miss the space game genre.

    I agree with many of Flavien's points.

    Star Citizen has not proven itself, and huge expectations are piling up on it. We can measure the expectations in $.

    Elite: Dangerous is what I prefer at the moment. Though, I also think as Flavien, that the content feels a bit empty at the moment. This is why I will say that E:D is like a foundation. It's a good foundation, but it's only a foundation. Mission types are too repetitive, and too few, and not enough varied internally.

    Regarding the lack of "epic" battles in E:D, of more than 10 ships in a battle, they exist. You can go to a warzone, and find 20-30 ships in the same battle.

    The "emptiness" of the content is why I'm holding off playing it until maybe 2016 or 2017. First of all, all the expansions planned for E:D are going to have a huge impact. 1:1 scale planets, and walking the internals of space stations and ships. More activities will open up the potential for more types of missions.

    How these different activities will intermingle and be executed will make or break the game.

    Ideally, they will build a multi-consequential system of their procedural mission generation, which affects the mission generator. That way, we could have missions spawning other missions, based on what happened before.. and then having other players be involved in that "mission tree."

    1. I'm hoping they use the ground-breaking procedural story system that they devised for The Outsider (which was almost finished but never quite found a publisher) and use that for mission generation. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they pretty much transplanted The Outsider's procedural city (and associated story generation system) into the Landing On Planets expansion of Elite Dangerous.

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  12. Interesting article.

    I'm following infinity for maybe 4 years and you have to admit that in a really short time SC was able to raise the money and to provide some playable alpha and to be honest, the gameplay is already really good.

    I was putting a lot of hope in your game. Your procedural engine looked great few years ago but when I saw the last videos (particule engine, lasers,...) I'm really disappointed. It looks like nothing really concrete did append in the last year. The communication is almost not existent. After many years... I have the feeling that this game will never be out.

    That's of course only a personal point of view, but I really think that raising money now is already too late. On my side, I helped SC but I'm not sure I'll help another game that will be released in 4 or 5 years.